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Alexander M Crow's avatar

This is a powerful piece, full of thoughts and questions and ideas, all of which, of course, make us human. To be able to think through these issues and share them in a piece--a story, if you will--is a wonderful thing, and it is the hope which binds so many of us together. Whether sat around a campfire twenty thousand years ago, or at my computer, typing this, the ability to tell stories and change our lives is not to be taken lightly.

I really enjoyed reading this, thank you. I know you read my words, so you're probably familiar with the phrase I use over and over, "active hope"; not mere optimism, or wishing something could be better, but grasp-the-bull-by-the-horns hope, hope which takes time and effort, and hope which is, therefore, built on far stronger foundations. I think there are many of us (certainly here, but also in places which have never heard of Substack) who know there are other ways to be, kinder ways, more generous, sharing. Ways which will involve societal change, but that is nothing new, we've done it as a species over and over again (have a peek at Jonathan Foster's The Crow, for a recent post on this) and, I am sure, we will once more.

As for a world without humans, I am fairly sure that evolution would kick something else out just as full of the potential for horror and violence, for terrible things, and awesome, for wonders and marvels and stories. I think we stand on a threshold at the moment, and the way forward is a bit more frightening than the way back (the recent way, comfortable systems of power, of belief), which is why so many are willing to simply toil and put up with the nonsense of vast inequality and cruelty. However, I honestly believe change is inevitable, and it is coming, soon (if not already here, in an early form).

By asking questions and thinking the thoughts you have here, you are already a part of that change.

Thanks again, I really appreciated you writing this.

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Jonathan Foster's avatar

I fully understand where you are coming from here Jennifer. Here are a few thoughts that spring to mind after reading your fascinating post.

There are so many activities and outcomes that humans perform for which I do not feel a collective responsibility. Humans, for example, exhibit extraordinary curiosity about the universe, and through this curiosity have developed spiritual and religious practices. I too am inclined to thinking about "meaning" and "value" so as a human I'm also inclined toward thinking about these things too.

But, when this human curiosity morphs into the creation of powerful religious institutions that have encouraged and supported terrible behaviours like, for example, the inquisition, witch hunts and justifications for racism, then we have to look at the social power structures that enable such behaviours. Yes, humans are creating the power structures, but importantly not ALL humans. Only the ones who have amassed enough power to force their ideologies onto the rest of us.

So then I begin to think about power structures, rather than about a species as a whole (remembering that many indigenous communities actively created social systems to minimise the capacity for power to be condensed into the hands of a few).

The dangerous economic power structure we currently suffer, often referred to as "capitalism" is a recent evolution which was then forcibly spread (through violence) around the world. I would like a different vision for the world to win. Should I as a human accept responsibility for the few extremists who force their ideology onto me? I don't know. I'm not sure women burned at the stake as witches should accept responsibility for their demise because they too were humans in a religious world.

I mean all this in the gentlest of ways, I don't have answers, and I hope this doesn't sound contentious or dismissive. I really don't want to give that impression. But I've always felt uncomfortable with the tendency to suggest humans per se are at fault, when maybe instead the current historical period and the power structures our current dominating ideologies are the problem?

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